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Posted: June 17, 2016, 7:05 PM Post
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Thanks beekay! That was helpful to put everything together in one place.

So if Ray signs for slot, the Brewers will have $383,500 left before going over their pool.

The max they can exceed their pool before losing a draft pick next year is $468,215.

That makes their total available limit for rounds 11+: $383,500+$468,215=$851,715. The $468,215 is taxed at 75%, so the Brewers' actual cash outlay if they take their available limit to the max is $1,202,876. (Tax is $351,161.)

Assuming that McClanahan and Clark both sign, that adds $100k apiece to the available total because the bonus pool money is only reduced for every dollar over $100k for rounds 11+. That makes the total available to sign McClanahan and Clark $1,051,715. (About $1.4 million cash outlay including tax on overage.)

For what it's worth, in BA's top 500 list McClanahan was ranked #136 and Clark was ranked #229. The slot value for #136 is $421,600; the slot value for #229 is $184,100. That might be an indication of their bonus demands, or maybe not at all.


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Posted: June 17, 2016, 8:17 PM Post
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And That said:
Thanks beekay! That was helpful to put everything together in one place.

No problem, my friend. [wink]

Great breakdown yourself and very useful. I see no reason why we can't get McClanahan, Clark and maybe even Louie Crow with that money.


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Posted: June 20, 2016, 2:41 PM Post
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patrickgpe said:
I still don't get it. I know that there is only a bonus pool for rounds 1-10, but whats to stop the brewers giving Jared Horn 1st round money, minus their own internal budget or his determination to honor his commitment to Cal.

In simple terms take $9,364,300 minus what the Brewers pay to the players they pick in the first ten rounds. That is the extra money they have to spend without getting taxed an additional amount. If a player in the first ten rounds doesn't sign then that amount must be subtracted from the pool as well.

thank you, makes sense now


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Posted: June 22, 2016, 3:17 PM Post
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Looks like Ray may get a little less than slot.


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Posted: June 25, 2016, 7:28 AM Post
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After the Ray signing, we can still spend $1,108,915 before we incur a draft pick penalty. I am a little optimistic that we can sign a couple of guys from the later rounds.


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Posted: June 25, 2016, 12:36 PM Post
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The Brewers have $1,208,915 to sign McClanahan, or $1,308,915 to sign McClanahan and Clark. Or $1,408,915 to sign McClanahan, Clark, and Crow. Or $1,508,915 to sign McClanahan, Clark, Crow, and Lillis. The first $100k of signing bonus does not count against the pool after round 10.


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Posted: June 25, 2016, 12:42 PM Post
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So they can essentially get $100K over their slot value without the Brewers incurring a penalty? This stuff is confusing to me, but that shouldn't be a surprise--I get confused easily.


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Posted: June 25, 2016, 12:46 PM Post
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Each pick past round 10 has a $100k cap. Every dollar given as a signing bonus in excess of $100k counts against the pool. So a $250k bonus in round 11 only counts $150k against the pool. You get the first $100k free, in essence.

Should also mention this assumes that Daniel Brown eventually signs for slot, or does not sign at all.


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Posted: June 25, 2016, 12:56 PM Post
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Should also mention this assumes that Daniel Brown eventually signs for slot, or does not sign at all.


Arent the Brewers down ~$12.5k availble on the penalized 5% overage if he doesn't sign because their total bonus pool goes down by ~$250,000?


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Posted: June 25, 2016, 1:38 PM Post
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The Brewer PD account announced Brown as a signing and Callis had reported him as a slot signing so that was my assumption when I calculated the total.


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Posted: June 27, 2016, 9:33 AM Post
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The Brewers have $1,208,915 to sign McClanahan, or $1,308,915 to sign McClanahan and Clark. Or $1,408,915 to sign McClanahan, Clark, and Crow. Or $1,508,915 to sign McClanahan, Clark, Crow, and Lillis. The first $100k of signing bonus does not count against the pool after round 10.


Where did you get the $1.2M number from? This is what I came up with:

Round	Pick	Name	Position	Signing Bonus	Slot Allocation	Savings
1 5 Corey Ray OF $4,125,000 $4,382,200 $257,200
2 46 Lucas Erceg 3B $1,150,000 $1,386,900 $236,900
2.5 75 Mario Feliciano C $800,000 $851,900 $51,900
3 82 Braden Webb RHP $700,000 $764,800 $64,800
4 111 Corbin Burnes RHP $536,400 $536,400 $0
5 141 Zack Brown RHP $401,700 $401,700 $0
6 171 Payton Henry C $550,000 $300,800 ($249,200)
7 201 Daniel Brown LHP $225,500 $225,500 $0
8 231 F. Thomas SS $200,000 $183,200 ($16,800)
9 261 Trey York 2B $25,000 $171,100 $146,100
10 291 Blake Fox LHP $10,000 $159,800 $149,800

Totals: $8,723,600 $9,364,300 $640,700


By that, we should have only $740,700 ($640,700+$100k base for post 10 draft pick) to sign one, $840,700 to sign two, etc..


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Posted: June 27, 2016, 12:25 PM Post
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You missed the 5% of total slot value you can go over before penalty


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Posted: June 27, 2016, 2:05 PM Post
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BrewersAA said:
You missed the 5% of total slot value you can go over before penalty

Yep - see reply #21 above for more detail, CWH. And that post was put together before we knew Ray signed for a quarter mil under slot.


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Posted: June 27, 2016, 4:23 PM Post
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Ok thanks for the clarification. Updated:

Round	Pick	Name	Position	Signing Bonus	Slot Allocation	Savings
1 5 Corey Ray OF $4,125,000 $4,382,200 $257,200
2 46 Lucas Erceg 3B $1,150,000 $1,386,900 $236,900
2.5 75 Mario Feliciano C $800,000 $851,900 $51,900
3 82 Braden Webb RHP $700,000 $764,800 $64,800
4 111 Corbin Burnes RHP $536,400 $536,400 $0
5 141 Zack Brown RHP $401,700 $401,700 $0
6 171 Payton Henry C $550,000 $300,800 ($249,200)
7 201 Daniel Brown LHP $225,500 $225,500 $0
8 231 F. Thomas SS $200,000 $183,200 ($16,800)
9 261 Trey York 2B $25,000 $171,100 $146,100
10 291 Blake Fox LHP $10,000 $159,800 $149,800

Totals: $8,723,600 $9,364,300 $640,700
Max Overslot: $9,832,515 $1,108,915


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Posted: June 28, 2016, 10:41 PM Post
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Why would the 9th and 10th round guys sign for so much under slot???


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Posted: June 28, 2016, 10:55 PM Post
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Why would the 9th and 10th round guys sign for so much under slot???


Both Seniors, no leverage.


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Posted: June 29, 2016, 12:04 AM Post
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ecjimg said:
Why would the 9th and 10th round guys sign for so much under slot???


As mentioned they are college seniors and have no negotiation leverage. I'm guessing neither was a Top 10 round talent to add to it. The Brewers intentionally took them so they could save pool money.


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Posted: June 29, 2016, 1:21 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
ecjimg said:
Why would the 9th and 10th round guys sign for so much under slot???


As mentioned they are college seniors and have no negotiation leverage. I'm guessing neither was a Top 10 round talent to add to it. The Brewers intentionally took them so they could save pool money.


Also, these deals are likely pre-arranged with the player. As TPlush said, the team benefits by saving money in their draft pool for a more talented, higher cost player, while the marginal players benefit by knowing they'll get taken, by which team, and what meager amount they're getting paid.


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Posted: June 29, 2016, 9:02 PM Post
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Chad McClanahan wants $1.2 million to sign.

Which would blow virtually all of their remaining money short of forfeiting a pick next year. $1.2 mil equates with pick number 53 overall.


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Posted: June 29, 2016, 9:43 PM Post
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Chad McClanahan wants $1.2 million to sign.

Which would blow virtually all of their remaining money short of forfeiting a pick next year. $1.2 mil equates with pick number 53 overall.


He doesn't really deserve that much, but in the large picture it really isn't that much regardless. Wish they could afford Horn, but we don't have near enough to get him.

To get really into detail after a tax on the overage he would cost us about $1.65mil


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