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Posted: December 09, 2016, 4:26 PM Post
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paul253 said:
sucks more then to see teams like St Louis, Pittsburgh KC, etc get bonus picks when they are also winning and even sometimes making the playoffs.


The picks are to help teams who can't spend big money stay competitive. You can't just decide that a team is competing so no more pick thereby hurting them in 3-5 years when these picks, in theory, would be on the MLB roster. I don't see the reason in hurting teams just because they know how to use the pick or not suck at building a team. This is just giving each team the same resources(or you know...closer to the same) to be successful.


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Posted: December 09, 2016, 4:55 PM Post
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The picks are to help teams who can't spend big money stay competitive. You can't just decide that a team is competing so no more pick thereby hurting them in 3-5 years when these picks, in theory, would be on the MLB roster. I don't see the reason in hurting teams just because they know how to use the pick or not suck at building a team. This is just giving each team the same resources(or you know...closer to the same) to be successful.


Yeah but not all franchises in the smaller markets NEED help staying competitive. A team that has winning records year after year or makes the playoffs doesn't necessarily need help just because they are in a small market. If it team goes back to sucking then you give them their pick back. But when we say the picks are to help smaller market teams stay competitive and then hand out the picks to the teams that are already more than competitive it seems to defeat the purpose of the pick.

But why not. The MLB draft is already screwed up enough as is. Why not give out extra picks just because.


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Posted: December 11, 2016, 10:21 AM Post
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paul253 said:
The picks are to help teams who can't spend big money stay competitive. You can't just decide that a team is competing so no more pick thereby hurting them in 3-5 years when these picks, in theory, would be on the MLB roster. I don't see the reason in hurting teams just because they know how to use the pick or not suck at building a team. This is just giving each team the same resources(or you know...closer to the same) to be successful.


Yeah but not all franchises in the smaller markets NEED help staying competitive. A team that has winning records year after year or makes the playoffs doesn't necessarily need help just because they are in a small market. If it team goes back to sucking then you give them their pick back. But when we say the picks are to help smaller market teams stay competitive and then hand out the picks to the teams that are already more than competitive it seems to defeat the purpose of the pick.

But why not. The MLB draft is already screwed up enough as is. Why not give out extra picks just because.

Because it's not about making all teams equally competitive. It's about evening out teams' resources to create a more equal chance to become competitive. If two teams have the same resources, you don't need to penalize one for using their resources better and reward the other for using their resources more poorly.


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Posted: December 13, 2016, 6:30 AM Post
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With Jansen now re-signed and assuming that Justin Turner completes his deal with the Dodgers, the Brewers pick will be between 31-39 depending on who EE, Bautista, and Trumbo sign with and whether they have to forfeit their 1st round selection.


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Posted: December 13, 2016, 12:41 PM Post
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Order is below...

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/211045600 ... =151437456

Round A
31. Tampa Bay Rays
32. Cincinnati Reds
33. Oakland Athletics
34. Milwaukee Brewers
35. Minnesota Twins
36. Miami Marlins
Round B
67. Arizona Diamondbacks
68. San Diego Padres
69. Colorado Rockies
70. Cleveland Indians
71. Kansas City Royals
72. Pittsburgh Pirates
73. Baltimore Orioles
74. St. Louis Cardinals


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Posted: December 13, 2016, 12:55 PM Post
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The overall pick # will probably change due to FA activity.


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Posted: December 23, 2016, 8:11 AM Post
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Eye Black at Night said:
Well it appears we have our answer, the Brewers are going to receive a Competitive Balance Round A pick for next year's draft along with the following teams: Cincinnati Reds, Miami Marlins, Minnesota Twins, Oakland Athletics, Tampa Bay Rays

In addition to those 6 teams receiving Round A selections it looks like another 8 teams will receive Round B picks, those teams: Arizona Diamondbacks, Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland Indians, Colorado Rockies, Kansas City Royals, Pittsburgh Pirates, St. Louis Cardinals, San Diego Padres

Not sure of the actual order within each round as the teams are listed alphabetically. The teams who receive Round A selections for the upcoming 2017 draft will also receive Round A selections in 2019 and 2021. They will receive Round B selections in the other years, but receive additional money to spend on the international market in those years.

The deductive reasoning used for the above information is a combination of sources including the previously linked MLB.com article which states the following relationship between the international draft and the competitive balance picks:

Here's how it will work, starting with the 2017 signing period: Every team gets at least $4.75 million. Any team receiving a Competitive Balance Round A pick in the Draft will get $5.25 million in international bonus pool money. Teams receiving a Competitive Balance Round B pick will have $5.75 million to spend.

Then we found out from Ben Badler's Baseball America article on the International Bonus Pools that the Brewers are among the teams assigned to get $5.25 million in international bonus pool money this year. The 8 teams (including the Cardinals) that are assigned to receive $5.75 million in international bonus pool money should receive Round B picks this year. When the Brewers alternate to a Round B draft pick in 2018 and 2020 they will be allotted the higher international bonus pool.


In regards to the International spending pools, this now makes sense considering I saw somewhere the pool amounts by teams, and I was shocked to see that St. Louis was in a grouping of teams receiving a larger pool amount that Milwaukee, but now I'm thinking that is just for 2017; Comp A/B and pool amounts should alternate each year I would have to assume.


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Posted: January 20, 2017, 5:14 AM Post
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And That said:
The overall pick # will probably change due to FA activity.


Or not.. if you wanted me to handicap the odds in any given year that the pick would not move back either due to a FA or unsigned 1st rounder, I would have guess 1 in 100.


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