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Posted: January 28, 2017, 3:18 PM Post
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Just having a little fun with this. You can go back in time and change one Brewers draft pick, but here are the rules:

1) Pick must have been 2009 or later
2) For a first round pick, the player you pick instead must be one of the next five picks. For any other round it can be one of the next ten picks.
3) If you know a guy was a big oversign (applies to 2009-2011 drafts mostly) please exclude that player

The first one that comes to mind is A.J. Reed, the pick immediately after Jake Gatewood in 2014. A big, young LH 1B stick would be nice to have right now... but I think the Brewers will have a bargain in Thames.

Any of the five picks after Medeiros wouldn't be a bad call, but I haven't given up on Kodi yet.

The Brewers could have already had Lewis Brinson, instead of drafting Coulter or Roache. But then what would they have gotten for Lucroy?

Speaking of those picks... five picks after Coulter and four picks after Roache was Jose Berrios. His minor league numbers in 2014 and 2015 look eerily similar to Brandon Woodruff's from this past season.

In the 24th round of the 2013 draft, two picks after Chris Razo, was Jose De Leon. But who can look that far into a draft?

I'm going to go with the 2009 draft, and nine picks after Max Walla and eight picks after Cam Garfield was Kyle Seager. He will be 29 next year - maybe he would still be around/good when the Brewers compete again, but if not I think they could trade him for a haul as his contract is only through age 34 at most, 33 w/o the option, and a LHH All-Star 3B is a heck of an asset.


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Posted: January 28, 2017, 5:19 PM Post
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This might be a bit of a touchy one, but I would pass on Taylor Jungmann and draft Jose Fernandez. I'm obviously assuming that if we had, that the circumstances from last year would not have occurred. Fernandez was emerging as one of the top aces in baseball, something which would be a huge asset right now.


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Posted: January 28, 2017, 6:19 PM Post
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I am taking Jose Fernandez in 2011 and after he doesn't sign I am selecting Corey Seager in 2012 with the pick.


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Posted: January 29, 2017, 11:45 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
This might be a bit of a touchy one, but I would pass on Taylor Jungmann and draft Jose Fernandez. I'm obviously assuming that if we had, that the circumstances from last year would not have occurred. Fernandez was emerging as one of the top aces in baseball, something which would be a huge asset right now.


We wouldn't even know if they would happen because he said he wasn't signing with any team but the Marlins.


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Posted: January 29, 2017, 12:33 PM Post
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Yeah, I didn't think I'd have to state that re: Fernandez, but it's been well documented that he and his agent said they weren't signing with anyone except the Marlins (per Adam McCalvy) otherwise he would have went before Jungmann.

What I'm getting at - and why I limited it to 2009 and later - is what you think would have the most value for the Brewers right now.


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Posted: January 29, 2017, 1:43 PM Post
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Interesting, I never knew he was all or nothing on the Marlins. I wonder if he would have been amenable with a big enough over slot bonus, or if he was dead set.

Tyler Glasnow was taken in the 5th round in 2011, but we didn't have a pick 10 picks prior so that doesn't fit with the above rules.

Of the ones that did, there are some good options. Turner over Medeiros. Maybe Gallo over Haniger? And Brinson over dither of Roache or Coulter assuming we still got a comparable return for Lucroy. Or DeLeon.

But my pick would probably be Cody Bellinger over Taylor Williams in the 4th round of the 2013 draft. I wish it wasn't Taylor Williams because I really like the guy, but adding Bellinger is a no-brainer.


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Posted: January 30, 2017, 1:38 AM Post
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MrTPlush said:
I am taking Jose Fernandez in 2011 and after he doesn't sign I am selecting Corey Seager in 2012 with the pick.


Dont care on the rules. This is my answer as well. Great pick find Plush.

This is baseball and a rarity for a draft pick to make the team the same year. Barely 50/50 to make the Majors to begin with. Picking top-line talent and letting the kid find out what life is. You dont get your way when playing sports til you are a FA. Go ahead, dont sign, spend a year or more hoping to retain your talent without serious injury. And certainly delay youtself from the big FA payday.

Ace on staff, or future MVP bat at 3rd base. Yep easy choice


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Posted: January 30, 2017, 3:08 PM Post
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2011 MLB Draft: I'll go with Pick #18 RHP Sonny Gray over Pick #15 Jed Bradley.


Honorable Mention...

2012 MLB Draft: I desperately wanted the Brewers to pick 1B Joey Gallo. They have 3 high picks (27,28,38)

They pick...
27. C Clint Coulter
28. OF Victor Roache
38. OF Mitch Haniger

Gallo goes pick 39. F my life!


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Posted: January 30, 2017, 3:33 PM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
Honorable Mention...

2012 MLB Draft: I desperately wanted the Brewers to pick 1B Joey Gallo.


You and me both. I don't always think I am an expert, but I wanted Gallo bad and REALLY BAD with that #38 pick.


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Posted: January 31, 2017, 1:00 AM Post
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I'll trade Medeiros for Trea Turner who was taken one pick later.

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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Posted: January 31, 2017, 9:26 AM Post
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I'll trade Medeiros for Trea Turner who was taken one pick later.


Ahhh another solid option. Another player I liked at the time.


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Posted: January 31, 2017, 8:34 PM Post
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I am taking Jose Fernandez in 2011 and after he doesn't sign I am selecting Corey Seager in 2012 with the pick.

Interesting idea, but very risky taking a HS player with an unprotected pick (comp picks for unsigned players are not protected). The Dodgers had to go $400K over slot to sign Seager and that was with a protected pick; any halfway decent agent is going to leverage that unprotected pick and hold the team hostage. If Seager walks away from the table, the Brewers get nothing from either pick. Unlikely but very possible.

Not sure that Glasnow would be eligible because he was a significant oversign - he signed for almost 4x the slot value.


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Posted: January 31, 2017, 9:43 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
I am taking Jose Fernandez in 2011 and after he doesn't sign I am selecting Corey Seager in 2012 with the pick.

Interesting idea, but very risky taking a HS player with an unprotected pick (comp picks for unsigned players are not protected). The Dodgers had to go $400K over slot to sign Seager and that was with a protected pick; any halfway decent agent is going to leverage that unprotected pick and hold the team hostage. If Seager walks away from the table, the Brewers get nothing from either pick. Unlikely but very possible.

Not sure that Glasnow would be eligible because he was a significant oversign - he signed for almost 4x the slot value.


I mean we are playing this game in retrospect so I will give Seager the entire bonus pool and take an penalty I must incur to do it.


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Posted: February 01, 2017, 9:53 AM Post
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I'd consider Nelson for Simmons, but I don't think Simmons could have prevented 2014 collapse so I'll go with Turner over Medeiros as well at this point.


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Posted: February 02, 2017, 8:38 AM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
2011 MLB Draft: I'll go with Pick #18 RHP Sonny Gray over Pick #15 Jed Bradley.


Honorable Mention...

2012 MLB Draft: I desperately wanted the Brewers to pick 1B Joey Gallo. They have 3 high picks (27,28,38)

They pick...
27. C Clint Coulter
28. OF Victor Roache
38. OF Mitch Haniger

Gallo goes pick 39. F my life!


You do realize some are projecting Haniger to be right in the mix for ROY? I'm just happy they got Davies essentially for him. But Coulter and Roache have been huge misses.

Give me Turner over Medeiros.


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Posted: February 02, 2017, 9:12 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
MrTPlush said:
I am taking Jose Fernandez in 2011 and after he doesn't sign I am selecting Corey Seager in 2012 with the pick.

Interesting idea, but very risky taking a HS player with an unprotected pick (comp picks for unsigned players are not protected). The Dodgers had to go $400K over slot to sign Seager and that was with a protected pick; any halfway decent agent is going to leverage that unprotected pick and hold the team hostage. If Seager walks away from the table, the Brewers get nothing from either pick. Unlikely but very possible.

Not sure that Glasnow would be eligible because he was a significant oversign - he signed for almost 4x the slot value.



Brewers would have selected him 13th vs the 18th the Dodgers selected so that 400k overslot, is that total even the Slot for Milwaukee at that point? And going back: 2.678million to 2.110mil or 568k difference.
If it means anything Seager by MLB was rated #22 for that draft season, but that does tend to come out early. Roache was 27 Coulter 49 Brinson 39 Haniger 45.


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Posted: February 02, 2017, 12:40 PM Post
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He doesn't fall within the parameters of the challenge since he's more than 5 picks behind Coutler and Roache (and a couple of picks ahead of Haniger) but Stephen Piscotty has quickly turned himself into essentially what the Brewers hoped to get with either Coulter or Roache.

Staying within the parameters for that year I take Berrios. Lance McCullers is another that applied but the bonus that was required to sign him obviously was huge, and a big reason why the Astros went with Correa #1 (who talents were still warranted for the pick).

Overall I take Corey Seager as others have mentioned. I don't think you have to overthink the risk involved, as others have noted he still would have been plenty high of a pick.


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Posted: February 02, 2017, 1:29 PM Post
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This thread has me thinking of two things:

1. Everyone is always saying we need to pick so high in the draft, but just about every year within 5 picks after ours an elite player(or prospect right now) was picked. Not just positional players as there were multiple pitchers too. Many times in the comp round and the second round too.

2. This team has flat out just sucked at drafting for years.


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Posted: February 02, 2017, 3:45 PM Post
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I tend to wonder how many of today's stars or top prospects would still be so if we had picked them.

Certainly we haven't drafted well enough, I'm just curious as to whether there is a major coaching flaw in the farm system that has helped contribute to the problem. It isn't normal to take this many pitchers as we have over the years, especially picking high most years, and literally have two that turn out to be more than #4s in 25 years.


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Posted: February 03, 2017, 10:31 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
But my pick would probably be Cody Bellinger over Taylor Williams in the 4th round of the 2013 draft. I wish it wasn't Taylor Williams because I really like the guy, but adding Bellinger is a no-brainer.

Interesting choice. Given that A.J. Reed was the pick after Gatewood, would you rather have Bellinger and Gatewood or Taylor Williams and Reed?


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