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Posted: May 29, 2018, 10:44 PM Post
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2011 4th Rd

Nick Ramirez (131st overall)

for

Mike Clevinger (135th overall)


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 5:36 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
I tend to wonder how many of today's stars or top prospects would still be so if we had picked them.

Certainly we haven't drafted well enough, I'm just curious as to whether there is a major coaching flaw in the farm system that has helped contribute to the problem. It isn't normal to take this many pitchers as we have over the years, especially picking high most years, and literally have two that turn out to be more than #4s in 25 years.

Great post, Adam. I have been wondering the same for years and hoping someone would overhaul the minor league instruction.

This guy threw at his own son in a father son game


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Posted: June 04, 2018, 8:01 PM Post
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Harry Doyle's JD said:
adambr2 said:
I tend to wonder how many of today's stars or top prospects would still be so if we had picked them.

Certainly we haven't drafted well enough, I'm just curious as to whether there is a major coaching flaw in the farm system that has helped contribute to the problem. It isn't normal to take this many pitchers as we have over the years, especially picking high most years, and literally have two that turn out to be more than #4s in 25 years.

Great post, Adam. I have been wondering the same for years and hoping someone would overhaul the minor league instruction.

I can tell you what their philosophy was in the late 90's/early 2000s - they put the high schoolers as the starters in the minors because "they needed to throw more innings" and the college pitchers as the relievers. They didn't subscribe to the innings jump limit until 2004/2005, but neither did most teams.

The acronym TINSTAPP really applied prior to 2005 because they (and most teams) didn't understand the fragility of HS arms. Also, until protection for unsigned picks (2010) and the draft bonus pool (2012) they were not on a level paying field. They had to go for signability and hope they developed. Post draft bonus pool implementation, they've been as good as anyone but have picked very few pitchers early.

2012 - no pitcher until 3rd round, but Tyler Wagner, Damien Magnifico, Anthony Banda, and this Brent Suter guy
2013 - no first round pick, but Taylor Williams in the 4th and Ryan Yarbrough (who didn't sign, but is pitching well for the Rays) and Devin Williams was developing nicely until he got hurt
2014 - jury still out on Medeiros, but nabbed Brandon Woodruff and Jordan Yamamoto in the 11th and 12th rounds; Sneed was good enough to be flipped for Villar (and Sneed is having a good year in AAA this year)

Anything else is too recent, but 2015 has Ponce and Kirby, and 2016 is the infamous Braden Webb, Corbin Burnes, Zack Brown run with Thomas Jankins in the 13th.


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Posted: November 21, 2018, 1:22 PM Post
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I'd re-do that 2012 first round:
27. OF Lewis Brinson vice C Clint Coulter
28. LHP Brian Johnson vice OF Victor Roache
38. 3B/1B Joey Gallo vice OF Mitch Haniger


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Posted: December 06, 2018, 9:53 AM Post
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brewcrewdue80 said:
MrTPlush said:
I am taking Jose Fernandez in 2011 and after he doesn't sign I am selecting Corey Seager in 2012 with the pick.


Dont care on the rules. This is my answer as well. Great pick find Plush.

This is baseball and a rarity for a draft pick to make the team the same year. Barely 50/50 to make the Majors to begin with. Picking top-line talent and letting the kid find out what life is. You dont get your way when playing sports til you are a FA. Go ahead, dont sign, spend a year or more hoping to retain your talent without serious injury. And certainly delay youtself from the big FA payday.

Ace on staff, or future MVP bat at 3rd base. Yep easy choice


I know I'm REAL late to this party, but there are several guys who've stated one thing and done another.

For instance, Josh Bell wasn't siging under ANY circumstance and was going to school at UT. Then when the money was real(and well above slot IIRC) he signed.


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Posted: December 07, 2018, 1:49 PM Post
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HiAndTight said:
brewcrewdue80 said:
MrTPlush said:
I am taking Jose Fernandez in 2011 and after he doesn't sign I am selecting Corey Seager in 2012 with the pick.


Dont care on the rules. This is my answer as well. Great pick find Plush.

This is baseball and a rarity for a draft pick to make the team the same year. Barely 50/50 to make the Majors to begin with. Picking top-line talent and letting the kid find out what life is. You dont get your way when playing sports til you are a FA. Go ahead, dont sign, spend a year or more hoping to retain your talent without serious injury. And certainly delay youtself from the big FA payday.

Ace on staff, or future MVP bat at 3rd base. Yep easy choice


I know I'm REAL late to this party, but there are several guys who've stated one thing and done another.

For instance, Josh Bell wasn't siging under ANY circumstance and was going to school at UT. Then when the money was real(and well above slot IIRC) he signed.


That doesn't really change the draft plan here.


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Posted: December 07, 2018, 8:06 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:

That doesn't really change the draft plan here.



I'm not sure what you're saying. I'm pointing out that sometimes MLB prospects say one thing, then do another. I'm comparing Bell's situation to Fernandez's. One said he was only going to sign in Miami, one said he wasn't going to sign and was instead going to go to college no matter what. Things change when the money gets real.


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Posted: January 04, 2019, 8:18 AM Post
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In Ken Rosenthal’s article for The Athletic yesterday he had a nice anecdote about the Brewers 2005 draft coming down to deciding between Troy Tulowitzki and Ryan Braun. He basically said the Brewers we looking to draft for need and find their future third baseman. He interviewed Jack Zduriencik who had contacted Tulowitzki’s agent, Paul Cohen, prior to the draft to see if Tulo was willing to move to 3B. This was the response he got...

“Would Tulowitzki be interested if he had to move to third base?” Zduriencik asked.

“Nah,” Cohen replied, “he’s not going to want to do that.”


Later on in the piece Jack Z is attributed with this quote:

“If Braun would have been gone, I think we would have taken Tulowitzki anyhow and just said the hell with it,” Zduriencik said. “We would have just lived with it and figured, ‘Ok, maybe somebody gets traded.’”


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