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2011-07-06 Diamondbacks at Brewers - [Brewers win, 3-1, thanks to McGehee, Gallardo]

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Posted: July 06, 2011, 8:10 AM Post
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This is an Earl Weaver win - pitching (Yo, Hawk, and Ax), defense (great plays by Gamel, Counsell, Weeks, and Kotsay), and a three-run homer.


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Posted: July 06, 2011, 8:17 AM Post
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For the complaints of using Casey as a PH there what should RR have done that was such an obvious better choice?

Let Gamel bat? It isn't like he has been tearing the cover off the ball. You could argue he should have batted but it isn't such a slam dunk that he was a better choice than Casey.

Use one of the great PH'ers on the Brewers bench? There are none.


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Posted: July 06, 2011, 8:20 AM Post
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Wow, Hawkins shuts them down in the 8th and strikes out the two lefties he faced. Would have been nice to see this about a month ago. Did someone else manage the bullpen today?


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Posted: July 06, 2011, 8:21 AM Post
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MJLiverock said:
For the complaints of using Casey as a PH there what should RR have done that was such an obvious better choice?

Let Gamel bat? It isn't like he has been tearing the cover off the ball. You could argue he should have batted but it isn't such a slam dunk that he was a better choice than Casey.

Use one of the great PH'ers on the Brewers bench? There are none.
Ya - Let Gamel bat. And it isn't always about who you "bring" in, it can also be about forcing the other manager to make a move. Sometimes your best option is to do nothing. In that case, with a pitcher struggling to find the zone and giving up back to back singles, yes, doing nothing - IMO - was the best move he could have made.



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Posted: July 06, 2011, 8:27 AM Post
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That's fine but Gamel could have just as easily struck out on 3 pitches. When neither choice is ideal it doesn't mean you have to stay the course and that any change is automatically dumb. Sometimes the reactions make it seem like the choice is sending Craig Counsell's bat vs. Joey Votto's bat up there when in reality there isn't much difference in the choice and either can make sense. Casey has stunk for all but one month this year, Gamel has done nothing thus far at the major league level, this year or any year, choosing between the two isn't such a black and white, horrilbe vs. great choice.


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Posted: July 06, 2011, 8:39 AM Post
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MJLiverock said:
That's fine but Gamel could have just as easily struck out on 3 pitches. When neither choice is ideal it doesn't mean you have to stay the course and that any change is automatically dumb. Sometimes the reactions make it seem like the choice is sending Craig Counsell's bat vs. Joey Votto's bat up there when in reality there isn't much difference in the choice and either can make sense. Casey has stunk for all but one month this year, Gamel has done nothing thus far at the major league level, this year or any year, choosing between the two isn't such a black and white, horrilbe vs. great choice.

He gave you the correct explanation.

You make him leave the lefty who's struggling in the game. That was the right move. The batter didn't matter too much to me, although Gamel was the better option. The point was to make a struggling pitcher stay in the game. It's not a horrible vs. great choice, I agree, but to leave Gamel in was the logical choice IMO.


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Posted: July 06, 2011, 8:52 AM Post
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Gallardo with his ERA now at 3.76 very close to his career average of 3.72


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Posted: July 06, 2011, 9:48 AM Post
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Well apparently Gamel threatening McGehee's playing time is the cure for everything that ails him... worked in 2009 and worked today!

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Posted: July 07, 2011, 12:19 AM Post
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Roenicke knew that Gibson was going to bring in a righty to face McGehee:

http://www.jsonline.com/s...s/brewers/125121348.html


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I don't think Gamel against a lefty is the obvious choice over McGehee against a righty. It depends a lot on how good you think Gamel is as a hitter (lot's of uncertainty there) and how much you weight McGehee's terrible 2011 compared to his two previous years. I'd lean towards Gamel but I don't know.


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Posted: July 07, 2011, 1:24 AM Post
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Well apparently Gamel threatening McGehee's playing time is the cure for everything that ails him... worked in 2009 and worked today!
I know you're being at least partly sarcastic, but I do think sometimes threat of losing a job can light a fire under an athlete's behind in certain circumstances.

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Posted: July 07, 2011, 4:19 AM Post
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TheCrew07 said:
Well apparently Gamel threatening McGehee's playing time is the cure for everything that ails him... worked in 2009 and worked today!
I know you're being at least partly sarcastic, but I do think sometimes threat of losing a job can light a fire under an athlete's behind in certain circumstances.

You would think with a fire under his behind casey would move a little quicker.


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