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2011-10-12 Brewers (Gallardo) at Cardinals (Carpenter) - [Brewers lose, 4-3; trail NLCS, 2-1]

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Posted: October 12, 2011, 9:43 AM Post
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Weather two hours out really isn't that unpredictable. If something is plainly going to hit (or even has an 80% chance of hitting) there is no difference in using Hawkins to start the game, as opposed to starting the 7th inning, and having Yo start the 3rd.

Rules question: Is the pitcher considered in the lineup, before he throws a pitch? IE: Could Kotsay hit in the first, Gomez be listed as the SP, and then have Hawkins slide into the 2-slot in the order?

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Posted: October 12, 2011, 9:48 AM Post
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The listed starter must pitch the first half inning


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Doesn't look like it'll rain until around 8:30 or so. I would guess both starters will start the game.

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Posted: October 12, 2011, 9:49 AM Post
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Has LaRussa announced his lineup yet? I wonder if he's waiting to see what the weather does and is contemplating not starting Carpenter.

This is not Shea Vucinich


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 9:51 AM Post
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endaround said:
The listed starter must pitch the first half inning

This seems strange to me. The listed starter doesn't have to make it through the first half inning. Could he throw one pitch and be removed? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly curious.

Maybe tonight is when RR would do well to imitate Jimmy Leyland in some respect. Stick Gallardo in the outfield or something, just to see Image




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Posted: October 12, 2011, 9:51 AM Post
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endaround said:
The listed starter must pitch the first half inning
Actually, they must only pitch to one batter, not the whole half inning.



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Patrick425 said:
Has LaRussa announced his lineup yet? I wonder if he's waiting to see what the weather does and is contemplating not starting Carpenter.

LaRussa is considering starting Gerald Laird in CF tonight, because he doesn't want to get out-managed...


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:02 AM Post
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One thing interesting about the possibility of having to using a different starting pitcher after a few innings is that the Cards don't have a 5th starter on the playoff roster. They'd have to use relief pitchers tonight (they probably will anyway, right?) because they would not be able to go with Lohse, unless they want to go with Garcia on 3 days rest tomorrow. In that regard, advantage Brewers, unless we think the rest of the Brewers starters will continue to crap the bed and we absolutely NEED Yo to pitch, regardless of the opposing starter.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:03 AM Post
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pretendastronaut said:
From Trenni:

Roenicke was posed an interesting question about possibly using a pitcher other than Gallardo to start the game if he knows it will be delayed. Roenicke admitted it's a great idea, but because weather is so unpredictable, that may not be a viable option.
It's not viable because.... why?


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:04 AM Post
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Well, Roenicke has nothing to gain by giving any real info to Trenni on his strategy, so I wouldn't put much stock into what he said.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:07 AM Post
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I think he's just saying that if they don't know for sure that the game will be delayed after, say, two innings, that they couldn't start someone else because it could backfire if the game never ends up getting delayed/isn't delayed for long.

I'm sure he and the coaches have been discussing it.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:17 AM Post
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Even Harold Reynolds thinks RR is crazy for starting Kotsay in CF. Harold Reynolds.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:20 AM Post
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Anyone who thinks RRR would actually pull off a sly move like starting Hawkins is crazy.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:21 AM Post
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I think you're on it dlk9s. RR is just saying that you can't predict when it's going to start raining again on nights like this, so you don't know when the best time would be to plug in your starter.

I wonder if not having Westbrook on the roster will bite the Cardinals.....not that he's that great anyway.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:21 AM Post
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dlk9s said:
Even Harold Reynolds thinks RR is crazy for starting Kotsay in CF. Harold Reynolds.
OK. Yeah, but what does Mitch Williams think?


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:27 AM Post
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Wait...if Harold Reynolds thinks it's a bad idea...maybe...it's a good idea?


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Schlitz001 said:
I think you're on it dlk9s. RR is just saying that you can't predict when it's going to start raining again on nights like this, so you don't know when the best time would be to plug in your starter.

I wonder if not having Westbrook on the roster will bite the Cardinals.....not that he's that great anyway.

That's why you start Wolf or Narveson. The Cardinals have McClellan in the pen.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:28 AM Post
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Well, in case Yo pitches tonight: We really need you tonight.

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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:33 AM Post
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Well, watching the pregame it looks like Yo is going through his pregame stretches. He's getting the ball. Good luck kid! We need you.


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Posted: October 12, 2011, 10:44 AM Post
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Eckersley just said they are being told there is a "big enough window" to get the game in. We'll see...

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