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Offline  06/26 - Brewers (Franklin) @ Cubs (Prior)
#81

Posted: June 27, 2003, 6:17 AM Post
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Instead of trading Sexson or Jenkins, why not surround them with another starting pitcher or two and make a run at the World Series next year. This team is not that far away. Spend some money on a pitcher and maybe a bat in the OF and let's go after it in 2004. I'm sick of this losing attitude from the Brewers organization and fans. Don't you have to shoot for the stars eventually? I don't want to wait until the Huntsville All-Star team is in Milwaukee. Remember the last return to glory? D'Amico, Sheets, Gold, Neugabauer...it was all set.

I'm not saying don't build for the future, just don't count on it. Play for NOW. Win NOW. What will you say if 2006 is still a below .500 season? Don't worry...lots of talent in Beloit...Look out for the Brewers in 2011!! Enough! It's been 20 years and we got the stadium and labor deal the Brewers wanted. So no more small market excuses. Build around Pods, Jenkins, Sexson, Helms, 3 solid SP, and a good pen.


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Offline  06/26 - Brewers (Franklin) @ Cubs (Prior)
#82

Posted: June 27, 2003, 6:49 AM Post
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I'm not saying don't build for the future, just don't count on it. Play for NOW. Win NOW.

Thank you Mr. Perot. In reality, you need to decide if you are in contention and go from there. If you are a true contender, like TOR, you cannot trade away your veterans like Lidle, Stewart, Cat, etc. If you are not, like MIL, you look to get whatever you can for EY, VW, Leskanic, etc. If guys can't help you win in 2005, it makes no difference when you're a game out of 1st.

However, it does when you're several games under .500.

If you aim for 81 wins, you'll get there, and it'll be mighty hard getting much higher, as you'll probably have to make some deals to get there. Unless you get to the 90 win barrier, a game or two makes no difference.

For example, let's say for argument's sake the Crew is on pace to win 79 games. You feel you can reach 81 if you add another starting pitcher, which makes sense to most all of us here. So, do you trade Corey Hart for Cory Lidle (also assuming TOR falls out of the AL East race)?

I would not, as it is unlikely we can sign Cory after '03. Therefore, I'd win 79 games, yet have Hart in my system. I put no "special merit" on winning 81 games. But, some would do that deal so they could proudly say they ended the string of sub .500 seasons. They'd be no closer to contention, and they wouldn't have Hart in the system. They may be able to add a #1 pick if they offer Lidle arby, but that's a maybe.

Therefore, it is very difficult to play for now and for later. You need to know your place in the success cycle and go all out to win, given your place in it. Change the scenario to finishing with 89 wins, with no true wildcard team dominating, that might be a trade I'd consider (though, if TOR falls out of the race, it's unlikely I'd need to give a top guy like Hart, hence I digress). But, until you're in the 90 win area, you're still building.

As I believe someone here says in their signature, don't worry about anything but the final goal.


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Offline  06/26 - Brewers (Franklin) @ Cubs (Prior)
#83

Posted: June 27, 2003, 9:01 AM Post
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I don't know how you can look at 2004 and plan for 79 wins. Shouldn't the goal be to win the division? How many Presidents, GMs, and Managers do we have to go through before they convince themselves, then the fans that they want to make a run for it?

And trading Hart or Nelson for a SP is not what I'm talking about. Don't touch the core of the future, simply be a shrewd GM and get a couple more pieces of the puzzle. Pods, Kinney, Helms, Franklin, Ford, etc. etc. were not acquired by trading a player like Jenkins or future prospects. So why not trade guys like EY and Leskanic, make the right choices in FA during the off-season and make a run?!?

Look, this team is a .500 club right now. Take away the horrible start and they're .500 ever since. So why not be optimistic and say we're going for it in 2004? This waiting for 2006 is a sucker bet. Is that the year Melvin flips the switch and the Brewers win the Central? It doesn't work that way. This should be the LAST year we doom ourselves to failure.


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Offline  06/26 - Brewers (Franklin) @ Cubs (Prior)
#84

Posted: June 27, 2003, 9:35 AM Post
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Take away the horrible start and they're .500 ever since.

Don't fool yourself into thinking a team is better than they are. Every team, including the Yankees and Red Sox have had bad runs this year. Even DET's record isn't horrible if you remove the losing streak. They all count the same.

Heck, if you take away all the games we lost, we're undefeated. Pity that doesn't matter.


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Offline  06/26 - Brewers (Franklin) @ Cubs (Prior)
#85

Posted: June 27, 2003, 3:04 PM Post
Posts: 51
I don't agree with Al much, but I do here. I think we tend to overrate this team. Last year, I felt the team wasn't as bad as the record shows and this year I don't think they are as good as the record shows.

Their offense is better, but most of that can be attributed to having Jenkins playing at a All-Star level. The other positions are slightly better or slightly worse but overall fairly similar individualy. As a team, the offensive pieces fit much better together.

The big gap that the Brewers need to bridge to get to a playoff level is the pitching. Last I looked, statistically we have a below average #2, and one above average and one below average #3 starter. Most contenders have two #1 starters.

So in my mind he are two #1 starters from contending. So if we can acquire two #1 starters...go for it!


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Offline  06/26 - Brewers (Franklin) @ Cubs (Prior)
#86

Posted: June 27, 2003, 4:00 PM Post
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Nice job :)

I saw that game on WGN and was delighted that the Brewers won. We have a Cubs troll who comes to our forum and we let him have it!


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